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Around Again
NOT LAME RECORDS
By Kent H. Benjamin
Blue Ash are the great lost band of the '70s
-- one of, if not the, best power pop band of
all times, playing a passionate '65-'66 inspired
version of pop music that predated but exactly
foreshadowed a lot of the great punk records
in '76-'79. In 1973, Youngstown, Ohio's Blue
Ash released an album on Mercury called No More,
No Less to great critical acclaim, and sparse
record sales. It was, in hindsight, unlike virtually
everything else around. Teen-oriented three-minute
pop songs, four part harmonies very similar
to the Byrds, and a tough guitar/bass/drums
sound modeled on The Who. A fantastic lead guitarist
in the form of Bill "Cupid" Bartolin,
a fine Keith Moon-style drummer in Dave Evans,
a melodic McCartney/Ronnie Lane-style bassist
in Frank Secich, and lead singer Jim Kendzor,
capable of singing a razor line every time.
As a live band, they were legendary. Released
at the height of prog rock -- the same time
as Quadrophenia and Goat's Head Soup, and just
before the New York Dolls' debut on Mercury
-- NMNL got lost in the shuffle. Rave reviews,
few sales, little radio play around the nation.
A 2nd album for Playboy Records (Front Page
News) in 1976 went largely unheard, and was
criticized by original fans for 'selling out'
with horns and strings (added, it must be noted,
without the band's knowledge). No More, No Less
has never been available on CD, but it was for
made many critics' lists as the best album of
1973 (it was my #1 of that year).
Around Again is absolutely brilliant. Forty-four
splendid, hard-rockin' gems, power pop the way
it's meant to be, with tough, loud guitars backing
4-part harmonies over memorable songs. Blue
Ash recorded nearly weekly from 1969 until their
final demise in 1979, and these tracks were
culled from some 219 songs found still in the
studios several years back. Included are demo
versions of four of the best songs from NMNL.
Don't let the word 'demo' frighten you off,
however, because Blue Ash was famed as the best
live band around, and songs were mostly road-tested
before taking them into the studio. The sound
quality on this CD is better than that of the
original NMNL vinyl album. In fact, a number
of tracks on this disc were literally cut live
to tape with no overdubs. Compare this side
by side with The Buzzcocks Singles Going Steady
or the New York Dolls' debut, if you will; Around
Again is every bit that good. Compared to the
best of the Raspberries or Badfinger, I'd suggest
that Blue Ash were perhaps the better band of
the three. If you're a fan of timeless pop music,
this is an absolutely essential purchase. There
hasn't been a vault reissue of lost '70s classics
this important since The Great Lost Twilley
Album or Sister Lovers. www.blueashmusic.com
We had a chat with Blue Ash founder/songwriter/bassist/backing
vocalist Frank Secich at his home in Hermitage,
PA (just over the state line from his hometown
of Youngstown, Ohio), on July 31, 2004.
Pop Culture Press: How did Blue Ash get signed
to Mercury?
Frank Secich: There was this guy named Paul
Nelson who did A&R at Mercury, he signed
the New York Dolls and a bunch of other people.
He used to get piles and piles of tapes in the
mail, and we'd sent one to him. And funnily
enough, there was this guy from Ohio who was
there in his office, and saw our tape, and said
'you've got to check these guys out, Paul.'
And he listened to it and loved it, and called
us up and signed us. That tape had several of
the songs on the new CD, Around Again, including
"Abracadabra (Have You Seen Her?),"
"Remember A Time," and "It Won't
Be Long Now." I asked him once if he actually
listened to every one of the tapes that people
sent him, and he said "I listen to every
single one. I can't be the guy who didn't sign
the next Dylan or Beatles or Stones. I won't
be the one who passed up a great act."
I thought that was so cool. He's up in New York
now, working at a video store or something like
that, and he ought to be running something like
Warner Brothers Records.
PCP: I always wondered how you got signed. Labels
weren't signing bands like Blue Ash, they still
aren't. I thought it was some kind of fluke.
FS: Nelson listened to the tape, and called
us up and wanted to hear some more songs. We
were so excited! There were four major labels
after us, MGM, Polydor, and something called
MetroMedia that I think Merv Griffin owned.
We heard from all these labels in the first
week after we sent out the Blue Ash demos, which
was just nuts! It came down to Polydor or Mercury,
and Mercury outbid them, so we went with them.
They had acts we liked like Rod Stewart at the
time, they were a really big label. It was fun.
We never made any more money from them, of course.
It doesn't really matter how many copies you
sell, whether its thousands or millions. You
never see the money because the labels charge
you back for everything. They charge you for
the four colors on your album, I actually remember
seeing that itemized, four colors! It's like
the British army in the 1800s, where they charge
the soldiers for everything, they bullets, the
guns, the uniforms, everything. The only way
the soldiers could make money was looking the
bodies of dead Frenchmen they'd killed. And
that's the way the record companies work, they
charge you for everything so they never have
to actually pay you any money.
PCP: I understand you guys have reformed recently.
FS: Now the band has two drummers. Our second
drummer was my next-door-neighbor, and he used
to be the drummer in Dave's band. Now they both
share the drum and percussion duties. It's pretty
cool.
PCP: Just earlier this year, you could do a
Google search and the only thing about Blue
Ash that would come up is the chamber of commerce
site for the town, now there's quite a lot of
info and pictures on your website, www.blueashmusic.com
FS: Since the album came out this week, I've
been just inundated with emails and phone calls.
It's been just amazing, all the attention we've
been getting. It's so much fun!
PCP: The question we all want to know is does
Dave Evans still have those red and white candy
striped bell bottoms?
FS: Not any more. He used to have a pair of
Union Jack pants that I gave him that he wore
everywhere, they were his Keith Moon statement.
I bought them and they were a little too tight,
and he's a little bit smaller than me, so they
fit him. I've never seen pictures of the Union
Jack pants, though, although I'll bet they'll
show up.
PCP: I'm thrilled with how good this new CD
sounds. I've had a lot of these songs on cassette
for years, and I never had any idea the master
reels sounded this good.
FS: I had a tape I got from a bootlegger in
Georgia myself. I had to write him a letter,
and said, 'look, I don't care if you're bootlegging
them or not, you're doing more with them than
Mercury is with our album, I was in the band
and I just want copies for myself.' And he sent
them to me. So when the idea for this album
came about, we all went over to Peppermint Studios,
and Gary (Rhamy) just had everything. We never
retouched or remixed anything, we just transferred
them to digital and put them out as they were.
PCP: The only track that had anything wrong
with it is the 2nd track, "Day and Night,"
which has some audible tape damage on it. I
would've buried that deeper in the CD myself.
FS: We tried and tried to repair it, but there
wasn't much we could do. We used to do that
song live a lot, and we figured the old fans
would want to hear it. It was the only one we
couldn't get a good copy of. The master tape
was really damaged, and we wound up taking that
song off the bootlegger's tape. Apparently his
copy was made years ago before the reel had
deteriorated so much, places had just fallen
off the tape.
PCP: Living in Memphis, I really wished Blue
Ash had played live down there back in the day;
did you guys tour much outside the north central
part of the country?
FS: We played as far south as Virginia! No,
we played as far west as Minnesota, north into
Canada, east to New York, and south to Virginia.
That's the only area we played in. We played
250-300 dates a year for several years in a
row. There were a lot of places to play back
then.
PCP: What is the legal status of the 1973 Mercury
record, No More, No Less?
FS: The only thing I know is that I called up
there and talked to them. Bruce Brodeen (Not
Lame) originally wanted to do a reissue of No
More, No Less with bonus tracks, but they were
so prohibitive about how they wanted to do it,
press an unbelievable amount of copies, and
have complete artistic control over the project
on something they haven't themselves touched
in 30 years. They picked up the phono copyright,
and they own No More, No Less and that's it
after 28 years, and that's why we didn't do
it. We'd still like to do it. Apparently they
said the costs will come down in the future,
and they'll start cutting little labels a break.
It's silly for them to sit on it when it could
be making them money, even if it's a small amount
of money to be made. The only things to have
been released from that album were "Abracadabra
(Have You Seen Her) which is on Rhino's Poptopia
Vol. 1, and "Dusty Old Fairgrounds,"
which is on the I Shall Be Unreleased, A Tribute
to the Songs of Bob Dylan.
PCP: Which is out of print, now....
FS: Those are the only two songs that have ever
beeen out on CD, and they did a really good
job of remastering them. There are so many Blue
Ash recordings out there. We found 219 of them
working on this compilation, and there's still
more of them out there that we haven't found
yet. We recorded at other some places like,
in Cleveland, too.
PCP: How did this new CD come about?
FS: Mark Hershberger, who used to write for
Audities and stuff like that called me about
a year and a half ago, and he was talking about
starting his own label, and maybe putting out
Blue Ash's No More, No Less, and he didn't know
how to go about doing it. We'd been in touch
over the years, so he called me and I gave him
the information about where to go. I told him
about the stuff at Peppermint, too, and actually
he was going to do it first. He told Bruce Brodeen
at Not Lame about the project, and Bruce said
'why don't you let me do it, I've been trying
to get a hold of those guys for years and don't
know how to do it. I told Mark that it was his
idea first, and he could go ahead and do it.
And Mark said he thought we should do it through
Bruce. We had this deal at Peppermint where
they signed us up for a production deal, and
how they paid us was that we recorded for free
for two days a month, so there were hundreds
of recordings made there over a period of years.
So I called Gary up and went over there, and
he had this whole box of tapes and we just started
listening to it. I just went 'wow!' You know,
you don't hear this stuff for 30 years and then
you hear it again. There's still 80-100 actual
tapes [not songs] that I haven't heard yet.
PCP: After hearing some of those tracks on cassette,
I was blown away by how good the master recordings
sounded on the CD. It actually sounds better
than the Mercury album.
FS: What was really weird was that Mercury,
when they pressed records -- if you had any
of their vinyl albums at the time, Rod Stewart,
BTO, Uriah Heep -- when you listen to the recordings
the quality's not really good, they were very
thin and tinny sounding. They used cheap vinyl,
reprocessed vinyl [some labels melted down old
albums, label and all, and used that to make
new releases]. Unlike Warner Brothers and Columbia,
whose vinyl records sounded good. I always knew
that the stuff sounded so much better in the
studio than it did when you took the album home.
It's not the recording, but the cheapness in
the way the vinyl records were made. I always
remembered them sounding very good, and when
we went in and heard them, it was amazing. Peppermint
Studios had two or three really good microphones,
the old Telefunken ones with the tubes in them
like the Beatles used to use, old German tubing.
And he just got great sound out of those. The
guy retired recently, he's in his '70s, and
Mariah Carey and Jon Bon Jovi just came down
here and bought his two microphones for like
20 grand apiece. There's only about 200 of them
in the whole world, and they just make your
vocals sound so great. The Beatles used them,
the Moody Blues.... They're starting to manufacture
them again, but they don't sound as good as
the ones made in 1959 and 1960.
PCP: Unlike most power pop bands, Blue Ash had
a really tough instrumental sound, very similar
to what The Who, Led Zeppelin, The Faces, and
the Stones sounded like live at the time, not
at all like bands played in the '60s, even though
you chose to play '60s style 3-minute pop songs
using that '70s big rock sound.
FS: Well, you know we were a three piece band
with a singer; Jim (Kendzor) didn't play much
guitar live, so we all played a lot to make
the sound bigger live. So I played a lot of
bass, Bill (Bartolin) played a lot of lead guitar,
and Dave (Evans) played the Keith Moon-style
drums, we did all that to deliberately make
the sound 'bigger' live. I've switched to rhythm
guitar now, so the sound is actually much better,
I think, than it was then, now that we have
two guitars live. We have an old friend, Bobby
Darden play bass, we have all the original members,
plus TWO original drummers. All four original
members sing, so we have 4-part harmonies. I
thought the hardest thing to get back would
be the singing, but a lot of us have quit smoking,
so we actually sing better than we used to.
I have an extra note in my range now (laughing).
We're just nailin' everything, you know?!
PCP: The only thing I've disappointed in is
that several of my favorites from the Mercury
album aren't on there -- "Wasting My Time,"
"Let There Be Rock," and "All
I Want." And I have to say that the older
versions of some of the songs that were on No
More, No Less are really, really good!
FS: I think so too. I like "Have You Seen
Her," and I actually fought to have that
earlier version of "Plain To See"
included on the Mercury album back then, I thought
it was better than the new recording done for
that album, but I was outvoted. "Wasting
My Time" and "Let There Be Rock"
are two of my favorites, but there's nothing
we could do with them, we never made a demo
for them, they were written and recorded specifically
for NMNL.
PCP: I never saw the 1976 album released on
Playboy Records, at least not that I remember.
Don't recall knowing it existed. I really love
that song "Look At You Now" that's
featured on this new CD in it's first take.
FS: It's funny you being from Texas, because
that song was just huge on the radio in Texas
and Louisiana and Oklahoma back then. It hit
#1 in places like Tyler, and Henderson, and
Waco. It was nuts, it was like a regional hit.
Playboy gave us an album deal because of that.
The album version of that song was done Phil
Spector style, really produced with a lot of
strings and horns. It was alright, but I preferred
the original. You know, I didn't make much of
this fact in the liner notes, but a lot of the
tracks on Aound Again were recorded live in
the studio. "Look at You Now," "There's
Only One Thing," "Old-Age Blues,"
"Just My Luck," "Rosie Brown,"
all were cut live in the studio with no overdubs
at all. Six or seven of those are absolutely
live.
PCP: I understand you're working on a new record
now?
FS: I'd like to do one. I've written about 20
of the best songs in my life, and a lot of people
are talking to us about doing one. Offering
free studio time and all. They'll do it on spec
and see what happens. I'm in touch with Greg
Shaw right now, actually, he's doing a 25th
anniversary reissue of Stiv Bator's Disconnected
album and I've written the liner notes for it,
about 3500 words. Greg was really supportive
of me back then, really did a lot for me. I
could never pay him back for all that.
PCP: I know a bit of your working with Stiv
Bators from reading on your website, but our
editor Luke Torn would really like to know more
about, he was a fan of that record. You guys
played in a band together in high school didn't
you?
FS: I met Steve Bator (that's his real name)
when I was about 14 or 15 and we were really
good friends. I left the Mother Goose Band in
1969 to form Blue Ash with Jim Kendzor, and
Steve was my replacement in the Mother Goose
Band.
PCP: I know I had some of those post-Dead Boys
records that Stiv did, but I never put together
that it was you in that band. Maybe it was that
I didn't know you without your Blue Ash-era
mustache.
FS: A friend of mine up here always teases me,
he says 'you've had like two lives, you're a
power pop guy and you're punk rock guy. You've
had two careers.'
PCP: If you think about it, it's a small step
from Blue Ash to working with Stiv, who did
a single cover version of "Baby It's Cold
Outside," a song by The Choir from the
'60s, who later became Raspberries. It's just
a faster version of what Raspberries were doing,
really.
FS: Absolutely! Jimmy Zero [the guitarist in
that band] was a very pop guy.
PCP: And speaking of Raspberries, a lot of your
press in 1973-1974 really made of big deal of
calling you and Raspberries cross-state rivals,
from Youngstown and Cleveland. Was there really
a rivalry?
FS: No, we were always friends. Actually, the
Eric Carmen book comes out today, and I'm in
it. I've got four or five stories in there.
We played maybe a half dozen times together
with Raspberries. We didn't see each other very
much, because both bands were playing all the
time. If we weren't actually on the same bill,
we didn't see each other. We played in the same
places over a 4-state area, but like a week
or two apart.
PCP: I love Raspberries, but the difference
between Blue Ash and Raspberries to me was that
Raspberries were a genius 'copy' band. They
could be The Who, they could be The Beatles,
they could be Free, they could be the Beach
Boys, but they didn't really have a sound of
their own, so much. Where Blue Ash to me is
more original, I like to compare the sound to
The Byrds with the Who's rhythm section.
FS: Yeah, people have made similar comments
to me before. The band before Raspberries that
I wrote about in Eric Carmen's book was called
Cyrus Erie [note: Eric Carmen was in Cyrus Erie,
the other three in the Choir, although they'd
all played together variously before Raspberries].
Cyrus Erie were incredible! They were better
than Raspberries, they were a cover band, they
did The Who, Small Faces, and things like that.
You could NOT tell the difference, they were
that good. They were absolutely amazing. We
saw Cyrus Erie up in Cleveland when we were
about 16-17, and that's what inspired Jim Kendzor
and I to form Blue Ash. We used to go see them
every time they played. They'd do "Tin
Solder" and you just couldn't believe how
good it was. I actually saw them open for The
Nazz and they did "Open My Eyes,"
and just blew them away, they did it better
than The Nazz. They had a lot of balls (laughing),
when they hit the first riff on that, I was
just dying laughing, I couldn't believe they
were playing it since they were opening for
them.
PCP: I've just seen Ian McLagan's band play
free shows here the last two days, he lives
in Austin, as did Ronnie Lane.
FS: When I saw the photos we found for this
album, I picked the cover photo specifically
because it looked like the Small Faces, or the
early Who, or the Kinks. We look kinda crazy
in that photo, it has a lot of attitude. You
ought to tell Ian that he inspired that photograph.
PCP: It's funny that you mention that, because
just a few dates ago Mac was on a rant about
how much he hated some American bands in the
'70s who tried to model themselves on mods,
and got it all wrong. They'd have mod clothing,
but then have long hair and shag haircuts, which
mods didn't have, mod was always a short-haired
fashion thing. So I kinda know what Mac would
say -- 'Blue Ash's hair's too long, they're
wearing the clothes, but the hair's too long.
They don't get it.'
FS: That's great (laughing). That's hilarious!
But they did inspire us. I was just dying laughing
looking at all those old pictures. Sgt. Pepper's
coats and that whole thing.
PCP: I was just lamenting earlier this year,
over pints with the director of SXSW, that Blue
Ash was really the great forgotten band of the
'70s. Almost all of your contemporaries, the
really great ones anyway, found some level of
subsequent fame -- Raspberries, Big Star, The
New York Dolls, Badfinger -- all of them are
at least cult stars now. But less than a year
ago, a Google search for Blue Ash turned up
only the town's chamber of commerce site. Blue
Ash was just completely forgotten, it seemed.
I can't tell you how excited I am to have this
new album, the website with all the stories,
photos...you know, the album cover and all the
outtakes photos from that shoot are the only
photos of the band I ever saw back in '73-'74,
so there were literally not even photos of the
band around.
FS: I know, I know. We're all really excited
about it. In fact, the guys are coming over
to my house in about an hour and we're rehearsing
today. David, our drummer, lives in Florida,
and he's coming up Thursday to rehearse. He's
the only one who doesn't still live in about
a one to one and a half mile radius of each
other. We're doing a show in August opening
up for Mountain and Vanilla Fudge at a big festival
in Youngstown, between 3-5000 people
PCP: Did any of you ever live in Blue Ash, Ohio?
FS: A girl came up to us one time when we were
on tour, and showed me her birth certificate.
She was born in Blue Ash. That's about 300 miles
from here. Actually, how we got our name was
this. Jim and I went down to Nashville when
we got out of high school, to try to get something
together musically down there. We were driving
on Interstate 71 to Nashville, and we were trying
to think of a name for the band we were going
to form. And we couldn't think of anything,
we were coming up with all this silly stuff.
And so we said that the next sign we see, we're
going to call the group that, and that's it.
And the next sign we saw was the turnoff to
'Blue Ash.'
PCP: You were one of the first bands to have
a logo, too, that's used on both NMNL and Around
Again. [We talk about my upcoming book on the
Gants, and Frank has a Gants album in his collection,
and about Bobbie Gentry, who's also from my
hometown, Greenwood, Mississippi.]
FS: Jim and I wrote this song that I mention
on the website called "Don't Go To Nashville"
about our bad experience down there, and Bobbie
Gentry's name is actually mentioned in the lyrics
to that song (laughing). "...my baby went
to Nashville to be a country singer/she's a
dead ringer/for Bobbie Gentry...." That
was the lyrics. It was a funny song, we might
record that some day. Boy, we're really rambling
here. Talk about tangents!!!!
[Thanks to Frank Secich and to Bruce Brodeen.]
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